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Another quick one.

I just picked up some Bicycle Rider Backs, and every now and then when I buy them, I end up with decks coded 808.

Even though most of them are 807.

Does anyone know why this happens, or if there's any difference?

And if not, are there any interesting tidbits?

Since I've noticed the Ace of Spades always has this number for some reason.

And I heard somewhere that there's something special about them, though maybe it's just a myth, who knows.

Question 2: Specifically, the 808s I got this time have a blue seal instead of the usual black one. Does anyone know what that's about..?

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This link discusses the topic.

https://www.astonishcartes.com/bicycle-808-vs-807

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What's the Difference Between Bicycle Standard 808 and Bicycle Rider Back 807?

What's the Difference Between the Bicycle Standard Deck and the Bicycle Rider Back Deck?

Whenever we glance at our sales figures, the same two products are invariably the most popular: the Bicycle Standard deck (808) and the Bicycle Rider Back deck (807). It's no surprise, as these two decks are arguably the most well-known playing cards in the world, not to mention how affordable and durable they are. However, we frequently receive emails from customers asking what the difference between the two is, and which deck is more suitable for various purposes. Let's answer any questions you might have, once and for all.

Do the Cards Themselves Differ?

Honestly, there's no real difference between the actual cards in either deck. The face and back designs on both cards are identical, the cards are printed in the same factory, and both feature the famous Bicycle Air-Cushion Finish, which allows the cards to glide smoothly. The only things that truly distinguish the two are their names and their different tuck boxes.

So, What Do Those Numbers Actually Mean?

The United States Playing Card Company (USPCC), which produces Bicycle decks, was founded in Cincinnati in 1881. Their first design, named 'Tiger,' was assigned the production code '101'. Subsequent designs were designated 202, 303, and so on. The Bicycle design, with production code 808, was the eighth design approved for production. This specific design quickly became, by far, their most popular product, leading the Bicycle brand to become more or less synonymous with the company itself. Furthermore, the number 808, which appears prominently on the Bicycle card design, became a recognizable feature of the company's branding.

Alright, But What's the Deal with the 807 Then?

In 2009, the USPCC factory relocated from Cincinnati, Ohio, to Erlanger, Kentucky. For this occasion, USPCC decided to update the design of their most recognizable tuck case to give it a slightly more modern look. As you can imagine, not all playing card enthusiasts were pleased with this decision, and many requested the classic tuck cases be reproduced. USPCC resumed production of the classic tuck shortly thereafter, assigning this version the new production code 807 to signify its status as the predecessor to the current 808.

Are There Any Situations Where Their Differences Might Be Relevant?

When it comes to our various specialty decks for card magic—such as gaff decks, blank card decks, double-backers, etc.—they are typically packaged in the same tuck boxes as the 808. However, one or two of them might come with an 807 tuck instead. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter, as all the cards are identical in appearance, feel, and quality, meaning you can use these specialty cards with either 807 or 808 decks. If you're a collector interested in our collection of Bicycle Standard and Bicycle Rider Back decks in colors less common than red and blue, it's probably a good idea to pay attention to the tuck box model you're ordering. This way, you can aim to assemble as complete a collection as possible.


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It doesn't really matter much, but I think one deck is manufactured in the European Union and the other in the U.S. You can see it on the bottom of the tuck box, where the red one has the 'CE' seal.

USPCC has manufacturing licenses worldwide; not everything is made in the U.S. In fact, in Spain, we're lucky that Fournier holds one of those licenses. Which is why they're so well-priced.

Otherwise, the quality standards, the card stock, the inks, the finish, etc., are always the same; you won't notice a difference from one production run to another.

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Just helping out @DeZeta – both those decks are American. Barcodes starting from 00 through 13 are for the U.S. and Canada. Spain's start with 84.

The 808 code identifies Bicycle Standard decks, and 807 is for Rider Backs. Without getting into too much detail, they're essentially the same deck, just with different jokers. 🤣

That's according to USPCC

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I get it a bit better now.

But I'm still wondering, since both are Rider Backs.

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And regarding the Ace of Spades, will it always be an 808? Can't it be an 807?

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Help me out here, I'm a bit ignorant. Why does one box have a CE seal and the other doesn't? Are the serial numbers associated with the country of manufacture, the distributor, or the patent holder? It's really bugging me.

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